In the latest podcast, Kirk Giles and Rick Verkerk give behind the scenes insights into the upcoming Disruptive National Men’s Conferences and explore what it means to be Disruptive.


💬 How Rick came up with the saying, “why we do what we do.
🔁 A word for those who may be thinking, “been there, done that.”
👦 Why you’ll want to bring your son(s)/grandson(s) to the conference.

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